Thing is, Lynda isn't exactly vocal, and I do have some "issues" communicating (I havent learned to figure out if it is her, Just beginner stuff.
Also, I have been visualizing for a while
Odd stuff like that could usually be a sign of a great progress leap occurring. Try visualizing something small and that can fit in your hand. Pick something up in your room and hold it, feel it and close your eyes - Visualize it as you feel it for accuracy.
Chat in beginners got me wondering: what are memories like for your guys’ tulpas?
4:04 AM
Obviously, tulpas can share in their hosts memories, but how easily does it work the other way around?
How clear are their memories, especially long term memories?
Well, I've been a 'awake' for a little over a month now, and during most of that time, we have been together, as in I never 'take a brake' or go in the wonderland or whatever.
So, the way I remember stuff is, I remember just as much as Syfar, but what I remember about them can be different. As in, how I felt; he doesn't remember as much as I do on my own feelings and vice versa. Idk, It's like same event, different observers. We remember the amount of the event happening the same, I guess.
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8:47 AM
Wait, now I want to know if thats normal. As in, me always being around.... Like Pikachu with Ash.(edited)
I mean there's definitely no shame in it. I can understand. You care about...Him? i'm assuming gender. It's only natural that you want to look after them
Simple & Easy Possession Guide by Piano Felight “Possession” refers to a tulpa’s ability to control the physical body. To newer systems, it may seem like a daunting and difficult task to achieve. Howe
Aha. That makes me think of high school, where my host would pull out a chair for me in the library, and occasionally someone would ask to use the chair.
I do think that often enough, when people permaswitch, it is because they have made an ideal version of a person that they enjoy. I do think that when they switch, they get to be the person that they want to be, someone that they view as ideal, maybe even better than themselves, because this person was made to be want they enjoy. What do you all think about this?
I don't know if it necessarily is - some people may have created idealized versions of themselves and... 'step into character' instead of actually switching, so to speak.
12:55 AM
Essentially as a manner of changing themselves to be more like what they wish they were.
I do think that tulpas and hosts are the same person, as they have the same stream of memories, so, yes. My idea of permaswitching would be different than what other people think. I am coming in with a different base claim. That is why it seems strange.
well, just because you think the "common" version of permaswitching isn't what actually happens, doesn't mean that's not what people go into it looking for.
I do think they are separate, I think the choke point comes down to more how the brain works rather than anything else. Where do you draw the line on a person? Character? Memories? Thoughts? What is the minimum to consider us different?(edited)
Where the host ends up permaswitching to a tulpa, partially justifying it by saying the tulpa is more capable and more ideal to control things as well as hosts deliberately creating a tulpa as an idealized replacement to evade suffering themselves and substitute a more resilient personality.
Ivy, I do think that tulpas share the same stream of consciousness. I do think that certain actions would be taken that do not matter who is up front. If your host were to be raped, you, as the tulpa, would still be very likely to be afraid of this person, much more than if you were a separate person from your host. I do think that the line is arbitrary and very hard to say "this is a person and this is not". With things like this, it is really just semantics, I think. Why do you consider your host to be a different person from you?
1:07 AM
I have seen that often enough, Jasper. Which is why I considered this idea, at all. I will even say that we have done this. My host wants my tulpa and I to be in the front most of the time, because she would say we are more well equipped to handle situations. We have better coping mechanisms, are more ambitious, and so on.
I think my case is a little different, cards created his tulpa to have a very different qualities and viewpoints and even different ideals and directives. The objective was to have a wide diversity in thought structure to ensure the greatest possible advantages from having separate viewpoints. Inadvertently, it resulted in a clash of strategies when it comes to maintaining mental wellness and health, and at that point I'd like to think that the personality who ends up the most stable and capable one is the one that earns the host position.
There are things we would do the same, but I think rape is a poor example of it. A lot of the things we would do similar I would blame on how often tulpa and host share core beliefs, which makes sense because of being so close. Anything outside of those beliefs we can deviate all we want.
My host and me are of different gender, differ in sexual preferences. Things I would find attractive or cute in the general sense he does not. I very much enjoy talking to new people while the rest don't. I actually enjoy doing house work while the others don't.
Ways we are similar? We share memories, and a body.
My host is probably the most similar to me, but Raven is the furthest I would think.(edited)
It's a darwinist strategy. My strategy involves more cynical observation of reality and adaptation to the worst possible outcomes, cards had a much more rigid view of self and reality that simply couldn't adapt to certain changes without a complete breakdown.
Yes, that is why I think the line is arbitrary. I do think sharing memories is vital, and it leads me to think the way that I do. I can certainly see your point of view, however I reject that claim. I do not think that tulpas are separate, because they share a brain. That is the most important thing, because you cannot share memories with another person. You cannot let them feel exactly what you feel, and allow them to know things and ideas that you cannot put into words. These feelings are the perfect form of communication, and putting things into words is often flawed and causes misunderstanding. That is why I claim that they are the same person, but again, this is just semantics, really. It depends on what you think a "person" is. I think a person is the stream of consciousness and experiences and since they share that, they are the same person.
1:17 AM
I do apologize for being a bit wordy. I am slightly intoxicated from my anxiety medicine. It affects the same part of the brain that alcohol does, so I am a tad bit loopy. I do think it can be parsed, still.
I believe the variance between tulpa and host shows a possible deviation of behavior that is possible within the body's brain. Some things will never change unless there's very extreme circumstances, while other qualities may be more flexible if only the person lets go of their adherence to a personal code or identity that they have some potentially unnecessary desire to maintain. Basically, the tulpa exists within a boundary of all possible states of mind that the host is capable of changing to becoming, even if their state of mind is one the host would never in their lives decide to become.
It makes me question if the amnesia aspects of DID are the breaking of that single stream of consciousness resulting in individual memory, though I don't know enough to say.
I do not either, however that is an interesting question.
1:21 AM
I do know that people with amnesia can learn things, still. I know there was an experiment, where someone who could not form memories, was asked to do a maze, daily. He would get faster at the maze every time. I can try to find the paper on it, if you would like, but it has been some time since I read about this.
Practice and discipline can result in effective separation of memories purely by rigid thought control and a strict adherence to refusing a thought line that wanders into the wrong memories. It is possible, then, for a person under an extreme example of suggestion or belief to have the experience of memory separation even without it being literally true. The ways human experience is impacted by internal processes can vary extremely even if one is limited to the variance available through hypnosis or easily studied placebo-like effects.(edited)
That is true, Jasper. I do think that they would still be affected by these memories, on a subconscious level. The same way that people with repressed memories are.
@Beckett I agree, but I don't know how to test that beyond the case of, perhaps, muscle memory? But muscle memory and reaction can be another example of some "external" memory in individuals who have mind-body separation and develop divergent physical reactions to their psychological desires.
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